User:Arvan Swordwielder/Expansion

Poll
All right, so vote, and then leave your comments!

I've been thinking; this summer, why don't we make this an encyclopedia of C.S. Lewis as well as of Narnia? We could write articles on his other books and also write articles on his family members (his parents, brother, wife, stepchildren, etc). It will require that we get involved enough to read books and write articles, but we should hopefully have more time over the summer than right now. What do you think? Yes No

Arvan Swordwielder
I'm in favor of this, obviously. ● 21:21, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Queenlucythevaliant
Not sure about my vote yet! As far as having more time in the summer... it's possible, but I just got a job. Poor grown ups - now I know why they're so grumpy! But as far as the idea - on one hand I like it, it is deffinately not a bad idea and I think it might be neat.On the other hand, you don't see a Tolkien wiki with articles about Roverandom, Farmer Giles, and Sr Gwain next to Frodo and Isengard. If we were to do this it would change the whole dynamic. This would no longer be a comprehensive wiki about a specific topic but rather a large biography/list of works on an individual person. So while I think it would be neat, I'm not sure that it should be done. I'm holding off on my vote, and open to being swayed either way!
 * I beg to differ about the Tolkien Wiki. See:, , and . These are from the One Wiki to Rule Them All. There are even more articles like this on the Tolkien Gateway. ~Arvan

EDIT: Were we to follow through with this, I can contribute info on the Screwtape Letters and Til We Have Faces (<3), but not the Space Trilogy. And certainly even those I do not know nearly as well as Narnia. Queenlucythevaliant 16:00, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I could contribute to The Screwtape Letters and Miracles, and I have access to the Space Trilogy. If we vote to do this, we can all make a plan of how we'll go about this. ~Arvan

EdmundtheJust
Do we want to do it through C.S. Lewis' page? ie: C.S. Lewis/The Screwtape Letters The think I do not like is that this is a wiki for Narnia not for C.S. Lewis. I do however like the idea to have articles on his other works... but not floating around there like the rest of the articles. If we do them, I think they need to be conected to his page like this one is to Arvan's. So I guess in a summary of this is that: I would like the articles, yes. But how we go about adding them is still up in the air. ~Ed
 * I guess yes, if this is voted down. ~Arvan

Rain Thalo
I think this could work. just don't try to get too detailed and it won't get out of hand. One article per book should be good (perhaps the Space Trilogy could have one instead of three) and maybe just cover his immediate family members -- wife, brother, parents, stepchildren -- I know that his stepson Douglas Gresham has some sort of producing credit on the Narnia films and introduced the audio plays. As to not seeing this in a place like the Tolkien Wiki, remember that LOTR is far more detailed and exhaustive and has way more literature than Narnia. 21:35, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, we probably don't need a huge number of articles. Articles on Warnie Lewis (His brother, I believe) and his stepchildren are definitely a good idea. I think we could make separate articles for the Space Trilogy. Concerning LOTR, the articles we mentioned aren't related to LOTR/The Hobbit/The Silmarillion. ~Arvan 02:10, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, in that case, that just makes the argument for this idea even stronger (btw, the LotR universe has waaaaaay more than just those three to draw from). -- Rain 04:51, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree about the one article per book thing. I think if we did that it might not be so... it wouldn't take over as much. these stories would just have one page where Narnia would have pages for locations/characters/events all separated. If this goes through I think that is the best way to do it. Queenlucythevaliant 16:08, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Halian the Shipbuilder
I've always wanted to do a comprehensive wiki on the Space Trilogy. Not sure if it really belongs here though. Maybe a new name space on Wikia. Halian the Shipbuilder 21:39, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Poggin
It would be good to have somewhere to post information about the Space Trilogy and the like, but I do agree with the sentiment that we can't work it like the LOTR wiki. Most of Tolkien's fiction is so interconnected that that works, but C.S. Lewis' works are far more separated... At the same time, if we only wrote one article per book, would there be enough to fill a wiki with? I suggest that we could have articles more specific than for entire books, perhaps for main characters of books. For instance the Pevensies could have suitable articles (certainly more concise than those here), as well as characters such as Elwin Ransome, Orual, and important factors such as the Eldila, or Kingdom of Glome. In this case we could miss out the bulk of Narnia specific articles that are not to do with important themes in the books. For instance the extensive articles on Narnian creatures could go altogether, as most are not important plot-wise, and are not unique to the books. Poggin 20:46, February 22, 2010 (UTC) 00:55, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me make it clear: we are NOT adding Space Trilogy articles. We would make articles on each book, that's all. And once again concerning LOTR, if you read Tolkien's OTHER works (meaning things like Farmer Giles of Ham, etc.) you see that they have no connection to LOTR, hobbits, elves, etc. I am wondering if we could make some sort of "subwiki(s)" for the Space Trilogy, and for C.S. Lewis, and the current Narnia Wiki. ArvanSwordwielderSig.png●ArvanSwordwielderSigTalk.png
 * No need for the caps! I did say that most of Tolkien's fantasy ties in with the Arda mythology, not all (and anyhow you could arguably tie in even Farmer Giles, as the mythology is somewhat of a prehistory...). However I stick to my point as regards to articles restriction (i.e. the one article per work only idea). I suppose he does have a substantial list of works to pick from, but most of these are non fiction, which will be tricky to deal with. Also I suspect that many of them will be out of print, and hence difficult to research (for instance 'Till We Have Faces' is one of his best books, and you'll have trouble finding that in your local library...). As for the Space trilogy, is there really enough about them it to fill a sub-wiki? (though do prove me wrong if you have an example!) Poggin 19:20, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I apologise. I agree that this may not be easy with some articles. I actually have Till We Have Faces, and I'm reading it for school. I think we could probably make a wiki for the Space Trilogy, considering the fact that there are wikis for single movies out there... and there is a CS Lewis Wiki out there (not a wikia, and a sorry sight it is, I must say) that we could glean some information from. ~Arvan

Results
Well out of the four votes, it says yes. But the next thing is how are we going to put them up? As articles within the wiki, or part of C.S. Lewis' page?
 * We'll wait until March 5. If more votes come against and the opposed win, we'll put them under Lewis' page. ~Arvan

Final results!!!
I have news which should hopefully please everyone! This summer, with permission from the staff, we are going to do something no-one's done before: use subdomains. That means that we'll have cslewis.wikia.com, narnia.cslewis.wikia.com, and possibly space.cslewis.wikia.com or spacetrilogy.cslewis.wikia.com. These are completley separate besides the address, users, and the fact that I'll connect them together in other ways. This means that everything will be in separate places. I think we may also begin a fanfiction section of WikiNarnia, using the blogs as Queenlucythevaliant has. Happy Spring, ● 01:21, March 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * So does that mean that Narnia is a subsection for cslewis.wikia?
 * Well, not yet, but in a sense it would be. We'd all be admins there, but we'd choose Primary Admins for each wiki. ~Arvan
 * That is a really good idea... ~Ed